religulous-ranting
Pandy's Argument.
Mick Aspden way too political fer this time inna mornin mate!
Kirstoi Dee Raa Lolz it interested me
Pete Unwin its quite outrageous this. Though if you think about it, the afgans probably have a Mc'Ds by now, so......
This would be a valid point
if it wasn't for America already being polluted with an ideology just
as crazy, divisive, limiting freedoms and controlling called Christianity.
Christianity has managed to breed mass murder in the form of the war...
on Iraq, fanatics who kill abortion doctors, controlling the teaching
of evolution in schools and the bigoted view on homosexuals.
We should blame the reglion
it the people in the reglion. Not every muslim is a mass murdering idioit
bent on conquering the world.
Nore blame christianity as a hole for what some of the minoritys do.
In fact some of them christians have ju...st ignored there own teaching
of which is dont judge or be prepared be judged yourself. There usally
defend it by bring up other things like it says free are churchs from
sexual immority but at same time there judge a person for there beliefs/ideas.
Also them thereselves may have a history which there keep hidden but
dont choose to accept others for something there may have done.
So we shouldnt blame the reglion itself just some (not all) of the people
in it.
Adam Retarded Thomas We should blame all religion. Religion breeds extremism and division. Religion is the bane of all human reasoning. There is no such thing as God, an afterlife or a divine plan. People who are gullible to believe that are dangerous and stupid. The sooner all religion disappears the better...
Nah cause then aint the
idea of no God dangerous 2? With out a guidin hand or something to work
for some people turn into massive dicks. The idea of not going round
killing people is from a religious idea. To love and respect one another
is... again another religious idea. You are digging holes in the ideas
of people not in the ideas of a belief structure it self. Religion is
man made faith is not.
People have faith in there cars, other people and God / Gods. When you
try to uniform something thats when it can get dangerous.
Pandy Leyland Religion has put some things on a back road but at same time it advanced some societys to be more powering over others. Why do you think the british use to have a empire?
I love the bible, the plot
holes are awesome. Love thy neighbour, love the sinner, hate the sin,
or stone the opinionated sinner to death.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter,
or the wife ...of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul,
entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which
thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh
unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even
unto the other end of the earth;
8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall
thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal
him:
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him
to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath
sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee
out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
The British used to have
an empire from clever men with strategy and ships conquering most the
world. Did God come down and do anything to help the British? No.
God doesn't exist. I know this. I am a decent person, I live by rules
that I dee...m morally just, not because of the fear from a Godly spanking
when I die.
People commit crimes, but it's the police that hold society together,
not religion, otherwise there would be only atheists in jail. Religion
teaches many things such as division against anyone who doesn't believe
what you do and to persecute gays, women, people of other religions.
There is no God. There is no proof for God. Science has explained God
away, to believe otherwise is delusional.
But there believed god
was with them in the fight there believed in doing what there doing
god was for him. Plus how do we know God didnt? Was you there when the
british where conquering half the world? i wasnt and what did there
do when th...ere where was spread a religion 2 there ideas and rules
and basics.
Not everything is followed in the bible 2. Notice not all christians
go out stoneing gays for being gay cause there understood when jesus
(which does have proof he was around i might add) came he taught people
that it better to let someone else live in sin than physical do something
about it. But remember people arent prefect there will not follow rules
and laws or there be no need for the police or army.
But why do you have morals? cause you think that everyone in the world
would respect you more or cause a society that started off based on
some of religious rules saying we shouldnt do this? Not everyone is
a decent person. Just need see half the dickhead drinking cider on benchs
in the tracties.
Just saying there no god means its right. Science has proved there alot
more at work that some religious people call magic but all it does it
give theory behind things. Like evolution is still a theory cause it
never can be proved well unless you had a time machine.
I fully understand you choosen to believe there no God but to push others
is wrong and this what this guys does is push. I aint saying religion
is good in this sense but at least there some decent people in the world
to allow people to have there own choice. I aint going to go into a
mosque tomaz with a rifle and threaten them all to believe in what i
believe cause i feel like i am right but i dont want the same come back
to me.
Also religion paints things
in black and white....life isn't like that. It's shades of grey.
Lying is wrong, according to religion. So if I'm hiding Ann Frank in
my loft and the Nazis knock at my door I have to tell the truth and
hand her o...ver?
Killing is wrong? How often does the Bible advocate killing? Read it
again my friend. You pick and choose your own morals from the Bible,
how do you choose? From your own moral standing, not from religion.
Where do you get morals from? Society. What was the norm 1000 years
ago isn't now. The Bible teaches bronze age morality and you choose
what you deem to be acceptable by todays standards.
Pandy Leyland but you are again looking at it in the wrong sense. Christans talk about a new conveant which was created when jesus came. This had a new sense of life and how should be treated. but what you are doing is blaming the religion. Should blame the people for the miss intemperation of it not the idea of the religion itself.
There is no God. There
is no proof for God, therefore he doesn't exist. And there isn't actually
any proof for Jesus existing either.
And the theory of evolution isn't a theory, it's fact. Everything from
geology to understanding of atomic p...articles backs it up. There's
fossils and DNA. Evolution is a fact my friend, to think otherwise is
ridiculous.
The war in iraq think it
God justice working though amercia or a hunt for oil? i go for a hunt
for oil and there using religion to justice there actions which is wrong.
The hole idea of God told me 2.
If religion wasnt there what think peopl...e would do?
Adam Retarded Thomas I have morals based on what society deems to be appropriate, whether they came from religion (which is man made anyway) and were morphed over time is irrelevant. You choose the morals today, not based on religion but based on what you believe is right from society, which is why you don't stone gays to death, even though the word of God tells you it's right. Morals are a shared idea of society, regardless of religion. Religion breeds more hate than morals.
There is proof gosh every
googled proof of jesus?
And again theory of evolution notice the 3 words of which first one
is theory? it been proved and disproved and changed many times cause
some these people who say there know cant understand ...some things.
Even the great steven hawkin has come to say there got to be more to
life than what we already understand (in his funny robot voice)
I agree with you there religion
is man made but faith isnt. You choose your morals from faith in the
socitey your in. The wrong teachin in religion breeds the hate. Communist
would work if the people incharge werent greedy bastards thats wh...y
it always has failer.
When does jesus say anything negative about gay people? Expect from
what others have try to fudge together. I talking about the 4 gospels
here mathew, mark, luke and john. The only time jesus actually got mad
was in the temple when there disrespting a temple of his father.
What proof? Ever Googled no
proof for Jesus? There is no proof of Jesus, look it up. The story of
his life appears 1000 years before he was born in Egyptian mythology.
Funny that.
It was a theory when Darwin proposed it. It's been tested ove...r the
last 150 years and still holds up true, with even more evidence than
Darwin had at the time. Such as fossils, DNA, radioactive isotope dating,
witnessing it happening in nature, man made evolution from wolves to
dogs. Is that enough evidence for you?
And Hawkin was referring to understand of the universe, not God. Funny
how religious people always jump on sciences blank spots and throw God
in to fill the hole and then stop thinking about it. It's people, like
Hawkins, who aren't satisfied with that, who don't believe in God, and
go and question it. And this is why you're sat at a computer, created
by science, in a house that's lit by nuclear energy, created by science,
able to enjoy the freedoms that we wouldn't have if religion had it's
way.
Adam
Retarded Thomas
So the first book of the Bible, the word of God himself, is wrong? But
the second book of Jesus is right? How did God get it so wrong the first
time. And the Bible of Jesus was written a few hundred years after his
death, strange how they got it so accurate then, oh wait....
Pandy
Leyland Did i say
god and hawkin no. I said his understanding there a blank spot who knows
what in that blank spot? I dont do you?
I aint arguing science not noticed that? I arguing that religion is
corrupt but the idea of religion is not.
Adam Retarded Thomas You argued the theory of evolution. Are you still arguing it's not a fact? Did you google the lack of evidence of Jesus? I'm arguing there is no God, religion or not. There is no proof for God, he doesn't exist. Are you contesting that fact?
lol you arguing small details
now and i bet your getting more and more frustrated thinking your talking
to a wall. What your doing is exactly what he does and forcing your
opionion i bet you now want say your right and i am wrong but you ca...nt
cause you not got the proof to do so.
Notice all i doing is arguing your point. not saying i am totally correct
but not saying you are either. The definition of faith (from wiki) "Faith
is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of
a person, idea, or thing
Pandy Leyland lol any scienticts will tell you theory aint fact. cause it theory. There may done this to back up there theory but doesnt mean it true. Only way prove it true it to try every disproof but that not possible on a human scale since we are human and not comsetic being of some sort. I saying there possiblety to be a God just not some mad miralce worker. Seen that epsiode of futrama where bender meets god. Kind of like the god he met in that episode.
Pandy Leyland Oh faith doesnt need proof cause then it wouldnt be faith.
I'm not arguing "small
details". I'm arguing the points you raised, and you're just ignoring
them. I pointed out the proof for evolution and the lack of evidence
of Jesus and you've just ignored it, that's not arguing "small
details", that'...s trying to discuss things and you blanketing
over them.
Faith is belief on no evidence provided. Would you condemn a man to
jail for his entire life on belief and no evidence. Would you trust
a man to fly you on holiday on his sole belief he could fly a plane?
I go off evidence, facts, reasoning and intelligence. All of which are
absent in the belief of God. It isn't on me to disprove God, I can't
just like I can't disprove Thor, Zeus, The flying spaghetti monster,
invisible intangible unicorns or an invisible teapot orbiting the Earth.
It's on you to prove it and you can't....
There is evidence abound for
evolution. It's everywhere, you can go look at it, touch it, read it,
analyse it, test it. More than enough to confirm it, and it has been
confirmed, it's used everyday for treating infections, breeding cattle,
...flowers and dogs. It's proof.
Yet you argue about the existence of God....don't you find that slightly
hypocritical?
If you can't prove God, why do you not believe in the infinite number
of other things you can't prove as well, not just the ones I mentioned
above?
Notice my point early about
not judging? I personally wouldnt cause it would mean judging.
I not arguing those points simply cause i dont want to with you i aint
trying get into a arguement over who right and wrong which i guessing
you wan...t. What you havent come to accept is people are allowed to
have a diffrent idea. What you more brush off as no proof is proof to
someone else. The small details i was on about was you trying to change
own questions think thats what i trying do? I trying defend the idea
that a god can exist.
Should i talk about every line and every word you say or am i human
and with my own free will going "i cba with what your sayin there
cause i human." i got flaws of a normal human i aint nothing super
special or any higher than anyone else. Which people try to do in the
normal world which hilter did being a nazi and what some relgious people
do in the world (i dont like the pope he aint out special)
But evoloution isnt proved it just backed up why it still labelled theory. I aint trying disprove evoltion. The idea of a god doesnt stop evolution being true. Maybe a god/ gods is what makes evolution happen? who knows? God hasnt been disp...roved cause evolution still leaves room for him to be in it. Does science understand everything about the atom? Science said nothing can live outside are human worldly existance once and then there found out that mirco orgnasim can survive the harsh of environments that normal cells cant not which cant be totally explained this comes to a idea of faith in that mirco orgnasim that there something about it that allows it to exist.
Science tests and proves. Faith
doesn't. Science gets answers. Faith doesn't. Faith breeds extremism
and apathy. Science brings advancements. Faith doesn't. That was my
point.
Evolution is proved. Go look at the evidence. Go read the evidenc...e.
Go touch the evidence. Just saying "It's a theory" means nothing
when there is evidence to back it up completely. It will always be called
a theory, because that's how science labels it, it's not a hypothesis,
it's a theory, and it's true.
Why do you believe in God with no evidence? Why don't you believe in
Thor, Zeus, Ra, there's is the same lack of evidence there. Why not
believe in everything that isn't backed up with proof?
Science may have said that about micro organisms, and that is why science
is superior to faith, it can be changed, tested, analysed and discussed.
Facts, reasoning and logic make a better lifestyle than blind faith
And evolution disproves God
because God said in the Bible that he created man, in a day, from dust....and
woman from a rib.
Give me one reason to believe in God. Give me one bit of proof of his
existence. I've given you plenty against.
Give m...e one area of life that has been improved with faith. Everything
you do in life has been made better and easier due to science, facts,
evidence, reasoning, logic.
lol cause i have free will
i choose not to believe in thor, zeus, etc.
Also faith can be changed just like science. You have faith in society
do you not?
Lol we arguing whether evolution is proved or not? I believe that some
of evolution has... proof but there holes in it still. It not a yes
or no answer. YOu have faith in evolution to be completly true but it
has holes in it just like faith does.
Adam
Retarded Thomas
Then why believe in God instead?
What holes does evolution have? I don't have faith in it, I can see
all the evidence I want, at no point is any of it faith.
Pandy Leyland lol you want proof then why do people have consence, memory? why do cells group together to create a organsim? cause all evolution says is that natural. If i gave you a reason you wouldnt accept it and try disprove it cause thats it you dont believe you mad your choice.
Pandy Leyland lol ok we force evolution to happen between turning wolves into dogs. but who to say that a human once had diffrent structure in the body and for the human to survive god allowed a process for the human to evolve to adpet to survive. How come humans havent grown wings to conqure the skys wha stopping evolution going that way?
We have memory because of how
neurons group together in our brain and store sensory information, many
cells group together in complex patterns, able to store much more information
than simple binary coding that computers use. Proved by scie...nce.
Cells group together from the information stored with them in the DNA
and amino acid structures. They are held together with various "glues"
and they react to each other using local rules coded into them on a
genetic level. Invagination of tissue, which forms the organs in early
development, is a proved process of embryonic development which happens
when various cells act together using local
Pandy Leyland Plus aint my job to change your mind
Actually if read up on the
lastest studies on memory and consiness there dont understood how the
person memory works.
why did the cells group together in first place?
We have to agree to have diffreance of opionion not spend time you trying...
disprove me. Cause i aint trying disprove you well expect you saying
"there is no God" cause all i saying the still a possibility
there is.
We force evolution? Then why
can't it happen over millions of years using natural forces? We have
tonsils that are the left over gills from when we were water breathing
fish, we have an appendix left over from when we were four legged herbi...vores.
We have DNA coding that shares many markers in common with all species
on Earth, closest being apes.
Why does God have to be involved at all? It's not necessary when you
can see it happening without the need for divine intervention.
And humans haven't grown wings because natural selection has not seen
it necessary to possess us with wings. If we had needed them at any
point then we probably would have evolved wings.....or died out from
not having something we needed to possess.
lol in the end you put your faith in science. Other put there faith in other things. Just accept that fact. I cant really be assed at 6 in mornin trying to question you any more. If you read up everything in science there holes and there al...ways will be. So in these holes people have this thing and it faith. faith in the idea of what in the holes works and grows and works cause if we didnt woudlnt we worry that it fall apart? Then could we question what i just said but worrying we fall apart but i sure you already figured out we dont. So why dont we worry about that
Pandy Leyland science is the seeking of knowledge. I have nothing against science just some of it theorys.
17 hours ago
Science proves. There are a
few holes in science that science works to answer. And there is more
than enough evidence to show what it knows is true.
Faith is the opposite, it's says things are so and don't question. With
faith and faith alon...e no one would have got anywhere. Faith breeds
obedience and complacency and lack of understanding.
I don't put my faith in science, I look at the facts and reason things.
How do you reason your faith on no facts? If people put their faith
in God, with no reason, truth, experience, facts...then I pity them,
I truly do, because they are missing out on a great world of discovery
and beauty and wonderment.
You mixing up faith and religion
again. Faith doesnt always question but it does advance cause there
believe though faith there should whether that be better themselves,
find new cures for illness or even help people in need. I have faith
t...hat 3D technology will lead to holegrams existing like there do
in alot of scfi movies and one day it might.
There is truth in God but you choose not to accept it cause of free
will kind which i believe be god given.
You are just picking out bad stuff of what some peoples faith does.
Pandy Leyland Science doesnt disprove God in fact if your so admit it does make it your life work to do so cause i tell you know it would be wasted
Pandy Leyland btw i know i mispell i aint perfect.
Adam
Retarded Thomas
Faith in yourself, others and things isn't the same as religious faith/belief,
and you know that's not what I'm arguing, so don't try clouding the
issue.
There is no truth in God, what truth is there in God? Show me the truth.
lol sorry but what i may call
truth you may not. I aint here to change your mind about God or not.
I just saying there still possibilty. Why do you want me to prove you
wrong? Want me to judge you to be wrong? Cause i aint i dont want judge...
you.
Btw faith is the same however you put it and where
Science does disprove God.
There is no proof for God, therefore he doesn't exist. If he did exist
there would be proof and science would be able to test the fact. As
I said, it's not on science to disprove God, it's on you to prove it,
like... it's on scientist to prove their theory, which they have.
By the way, quantum theory is just a theory but your computer works
because of it. E=MC2 is just a theory and it flatten Hiroshima and lights
your house. "Just a theory" isn't an accurate representation
of what a theory is.
There is only one definition
of truth and it's that which is backed up by evidence and facts. Look
it up. I don't want you to prove me wrong, because you can't. But it's
fun watching you try. I have evidence and facts on my side, you have
nothing on yours.
No, because religious faith is based on nothing, it's belief. Faith
in someone is based on their abilities. Two different meanings my friend.
Lol just cause there no proof
doesnt mean it exist. Ok so gravity things might fall to the ground
but who to say that gravity? it not something we touch, feel, etc we
can do stuff to prove it there but it not proof it just proves something
...there.
Lol cause it works in the cases it been use (btw talking about quantum
theory) but there may be a case one day that it doesnt work so it gets
disproved
Adam Retarded Thomas Exactly. Gravity is what we call the force of attraction. We prove it from it's effects....*sigh*
Pandy Leyland I aint trying. I arguing your points. but truth is diffrent for everyone. Like i said you want me prove you wrong but i aint trying cause your to aggrant to allow the idea you could be wrong. But who say someone religious experince doesnt give them faith. See what i mean by what i may consider truth you wouldnt accept?
Pandy Leyland Everyone life experinces are different. So you may think if a God exist then science is wrong but i believe science has room for God to exist. But what my idea of a God could be diffrent than yours. We are all equal diverse and have are own life experinces and what we take from them gives are belief, ideas and are proof but in the end no one knows whats actually right cause we are all diffrent.
Adam Retarded Thomas "Truth can have a variety of meanings, from the state of being the case, being in accord with a particular fact or reality, being in accord with the body of real things, events, actuality, or fidelity to an original or to a standard."
Pandy Leyland you still going on about this? We have to agree to disagree.
"aint the idea of no
God dangerous 2?" - Erm... no more so than the idea of no Tooth
Fairy or no Father Christmas".
"With out a guidin hand or something to work for some people turn
into massive dicks" - So there are no religious people wh...o are
also dicks? My guiding hand was my mother's hand and I work to make
my children happy. NOT for any god or idol.
"The idea of not going round killing people is from a religious
idea. To love and respect one another is... again another religious
idea." - Nah. That's just Homo sapiens thinking they are superior
to all other life on this planet. Ever seen people, even the religious,
killing for sport? (fox hunting, etc) We have the desire NOT to kill
one of our own purely because we have an inherent need for the survival
of our species. End of.
" You are digging holes
in the ideas of people not in the ideas of a belief structure it self."
- This doesn't even make sense. The ideas people have are just that;
peoples' idealology. Belief is just another way to say it. The whole
idea ...of belief is that there isn't any structure. It's just something
that someone thinks or believes is fact. Adam isn't digging holes in
these ideals. He's just sat dangling his legs over the edge of a crater
that was present before he got there.
"Religion has put some things on a back road but at same time it
advanced some societys to be more powering over others. Why do you think
the british use to have a empire?" - Eh? Religion wasn't the driving
force. Political power and dominance, perchance? I think the need for
power drives humans further than religion, my friend. Afterall, the
bully in the playground is bullying for power and dominance, not for
religion. The bully calling himself 'religious' is just doing so to
make what he is doing look right and just. Power is often put in a pretty
little pink box with ribbons and labelled 'religion'. True story.
"But there believed god was with them in the fight there believed
in doing what there doing god was for him." - After I worked out
what you were trying to say, I laughed. Soldiers fight because they
take orders from higher powers... but the higher powers are their sergeants.
It is these sergeants and the rest of the elite military who put power
and greed in that little pink box with ribbon.
"Was you there when the british where conquering half the world?"
- No, but I'm right here right now whilst America are trying to do the
same, Power ill concealed by religion yet again.
"Not everything is
followed in the bible". - It's a good job as well, because it's
full of contradictions and if people had followed it to the "T"
they would be seriously in need of psychiatric treatment for Dissociative
identity disorder.... On the other hand though, if a person truly believed
in the Bible's God, surely they would be punished for not following
the bible exactly as it is written. Hmmm...
"But why do you have morals? cause you think that everyone in the
world would respect you more or cause a society that started off based
on some of religious rules saying we shouldnt do this?" - Religion
has nothing to do with morals. If it did, there wouldn't be any religious
people doing wrong in the world. In fact, there wouldn't be any religious
people PERIOD. Religion, as it is practiced, was invented purely to
force control (over peoples' natural instincts) and to force control
over another human being is abusive. Abuse is morally wrong.
"Just saying there no god means its right. Science has proved there
alot more at work that some religious people call magic but all it does
it give theory behind things. Like evolution is still a theory cause
it never can be proved well unless you had a time machine. " -
Science just gives theories? Really? Did you not take Chemistry, Biology
or Physics at school? Never mind that. Religion is based on what? Fact???
We haven't fully proved evolution...yet. It's like a huge puzzle and
we are only missing one piece. Time machines will not be necessary at
the rate we are going.
"Not everyone is a decent person. Just need see half the dickhead
drinking cider on benchs in the tracties. " - also terrorists who
fight in the name of religion, Christian fundamentalists who murder
gays/ abortion doctors, TV Evangelists who wear Gucci and promise eternal
life in exchange for your grannies pension , Catholic priests who molest
children...blah, blah, blah...
" I aint going to go into a mosque tomaz with a rifle and threaten
them all to believe in what i believe cause i feel like i am right but
i dont want the same come back to me." - Surely god would be on
your side if you did that. After all, you are only trying to force them
to save their souls. If that seems a little too harsh for you, why not
go to their homes at 8am on a weekend, knock on their door and refuse
to leave until they've taken your leaflet entitled, "Let Jesus
and The Church Save Your Children's Souls"?
"The war in iraq think
it God justice working though amercia or a hunt for oil? i go for a
hunt for oil and there using religion to justice there actions which
is wrong." - The most intelligent thing you've said so far... remember
what I s...aid about pretty boxes? But these people who went to war
for oil are a part of George Bush's Christian America. I don't know
anyone who can put the words "George Bush", "morals”
and "right” in the same sentence without being laughed at, but
he is a diehard Christian.
"If religion wasnt there what think peopl...e would do?" -
They'd find another pretty box with ribbon to hide everything in. And
they have. Ever heard the term, "All in the name of science"?
Science isn't a fluffy teddy bear either, but at least it doesn't pretend
to be.
"There is proof gosh every googled proof of jesus? " - If
there was and it was proof that he was in fact sent by god and I can
find the proof searching Google, I promise I will stop reading Dawkins
and spend the afterlife kissing your arse in heaven. In the mean time,
please google "Akhenaten and Christianity".
"And again theory of evolution notice the 3 words of which first
one is theory? it been proved and disproved and changed many times cause
some these people who say there know cant understand ...some things.Even
the great steven hawkin has come to say there got to be more to life
than what we already understand (in his funny robot voice)" - Yes.
This is true, but remember when I talked about the puzzle and missing
just one piece? Well, we have a suitcase full of pieces. The right one
is in there, we just haven't found it yet.
"I agree with you there
religion is manmade but faith isnt. You choose your morals from faith
in the socitey your in." - Exactly. NOT morals given to us by some
zombie guy who tells us to eat his flesh and drink his blood to become
immorta...l.
"Did i say god and hawkin no. I said his understanding there a
blank spot who knows what in that blank spot? I dont do you? "
- Erm, yeah. You kinda did. You suggested it. I'd add further interpretation,
but I feel it would be a wasted exercise.
"lol you arguing small details now and i bet your getting more
and more frustrated thinking your talking to a wall. What your doing
is exactly what he does and forcing your opionion i bet you now want
say your right and i am wrong but you cant cause you not got the proof
to do so. " - Because the religious would NEVER force their beliefs
on anyone now, would they. Small details are details all the same.
"The definition of faith (from wiki)..." - Anyone who quotes
anything on Wiki in an argument or debate losses all credibility. Same
goes for anyone quoting the bible as god's or Jesus' words. Same difference.
"I saying there possiblety to be a God just not some mad miralce
worker." - Then what would the point in being a god? Are we talking
Bill Bailey's interpretation of Vishnu The Maintainer here? If we are,
he's doing a really shit job...
"I not arguing those points simply cause i dont want to with you."
- Translation: I'm not arguing those points simply because I don't know
how to."
"Should i talk about every line and every word you say?" -
Gets the point across better, don't you think? Less is open to interpretation.
" i got flaws of a normal human i aint nothing super special or
any higher than anyone else. Which people try to do in the normal world
which hilter did being a nazi and what some relgious people do in the
world (i dont like the pope he aint out special)" - SOME religious
people???? Just some??? Religion is all about hierarchy. "Heaven
above" "Hell below". I'd say Hierarchy defines religion.
At least Hitler had a cool uniform.
<I will not comment on further on your argument against evolution
as I think I pretty much explained it above.>
... except this part: "How
come humans havent grown wings to conqure the skys wha stopping evolution
going that way?" - Because we don't need to. We have aeroplanes
for that. The next big jump in evolution will probably be something
boring... like a change in metabolism or something, seen as we have
more food now than we need but still consume it all. The human body
is amazing. It will only change the things it needs to for survival.
If we'd needed to fly, we would have sprouted wings. Thanks to technology,
we never will.
... and this part: "If you read up everything in science there
holes and there always will be. So in these holes people have this thing
and it faith." - Actually, it's called common sense, not faith.
If you have two pieces of puzzle and the third piece in the middle is
missing, you can pretty much tell the shape of what you're looking for
from the other pieces. It's just that we keep finding pieces that we
think will fill the gap, but after wasting time on it, we discover that
they are the wrong color or have one edge that isn't quite right.
"There is truth in God but you choose not to accept it cause of
free will kind which i believe be god given." - Don't know about
you, but if I was a god I'd be out there, proving I exist, not spending
my time being an omniscient bystander allowing people to liken me to
the tooth fairy or Father Christmas. I'd also create people exactly
the way I'd want them to be; without flaws. (If you even mention The
Garden of Eden to me after this, I shall personally make you an extra
rib out of one of your femurs.)
"Ok so gravity things might fall to the ground but who to say that
gravity?" - Erm... a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
Gravity is the name we gave to the force of attraction and repulsion
of magnetics. This was proven. Where have you been and what the hell
did they teach you at your school???? (evidently not science or English)
"...your to aggrant..." - Why yes he is, but I don't get what
this has to do with the price of fish... especially as he is making
a real, coherent point. His character shouldn't even come into it.
"...i believe science has room for God to exist." - Nopes.
Opposing idealologies there, dude.
The End.
Lucy San Ingham ...And if you read all that, I'll be impressed.
Be honesty i havent cause like
i said before i cba arguin this any more. I also did mention i know
my english writing is crap cause i always been a logical not literate.
Gravity was trying provide a example that believe the force to be ther...e.
The idea of gravity is a heavy mass pulls things towards it and thats
what at the center of the earth. Anyone been to center of the earth?
We believe it be there we might have ways of trying work it out but
how do we know? That aint common sense is it? So we choose to believe
that the mass is there. Idea of belief in science which could just be
faith in science in the stuff that isnt there. Common sense is like
put something on a hot pipe you dont put it there again. In fact i like
to challenge people see if there really do have common sense cause half
the idiots i know dont seem 2.
What you are doing is mixing religion with its politics and rules and
saying the idea of faith in God is connected with this. It simply isnt
i argee that religion is Bollocks cause of the people who mis use it
actually message. Like you said george bush dieheard christian a perfect
example a guy using his own morals and beliefs to drive forward a war
for oil. Faith does drive stuff forward maybe not advancement in a scientific
field but advancements in a human accomplishment example I have belief
in God that i can climb this mountain.
Religion doesnt have room for science but Science has room for God even
if you choose not to believe in a god or not. Btw notice my statement
about free will? we both have are own rights to express it.
Arguments aren't pro-religion the argument about faith in God/Gods.
Gravity has been proven. It
is mainsteam knowledge. This is why farmers let the moon dictate when
they harvest their crops, for example. This is why our oceans have tides.
It's why my bills are secured to the fridge with a magnet. It's ever...ywhere.
I mentioned politics because it IS relevant. Politics is basically religion
without the spirituality. The only thing religious faith advances is
human suffering.
You can argue until you are red in the face about there being room in
science for religion. It still won't change the fact that this statement
is wrong. Give me an example of this.See more
religion doesnt make faith.
faith can make religion. Nazi's where trying create a super race but
that meant killing off what there fought be the lesser cultures. Nazi
werent doing that for religion where there? Yet the nazis where bad
in th...at sense a example of a group of people going round murdering
people cause there felt there should.
You are screwing the 2 up. Btw i cant give a example cause i not sitting
here saying i havin the answers to the questions science cant answer
cause i am still human.
oh and i not red in the face.
Faith and politics shouldnt mix. But religion does mess with politics
but religion isnt faith just has faith.
So if i told you we science took us to the world where graivty was opposite
what would you think then? btw i cant do that i aint got money/time/resources
to even start doing that
"Nazi werent doing
that for religion where there?" - Erm... you don't know your history,
do you? Hitler created a religion. Go look it up.
" Btw i cant give a example cause i not sitting here saying i havin
the answers to the questions sci...ence cant answer cause i am still
human. " - But surely if there IS proof, you could just go look
it up on Google then copy and paste???
If science took us to an opposite world, it would still be gravity,
just the reverse.
Dude, if you are to have a debate with me, you are going to have to
do better than this.
Yet you said before there holes
in science where we have to have common sense it works aint that a question
we cant answer? Google want know what it says it says i don't know answer
i built by humans so i cant be any greater than the knowle...dge of
humans. (I kind of shortened the answer). But lets look at the science
of gravity
http://www.bringyou.to/
hilter religious views kept changing. So hilter made a religion did
he? Find me a link to it.
This might start you off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
just cause your taught one thing doesn't mean right. you just choose
to believe it. Faith in the teaching you received.
"Yet you said before
there holes in science where we have to have common sense it works"
- Please find where I said that. Quote me. I just said we don't have
all the pieces of the puzzle, but there are some areas in the puzzle
where a gap ...remains and that we just need to rummage through our
suitcase of pieces to find the missing one. We have a full suitcase.
We just haven't explored it's depths. I find it funny that you are trying
to pick apart science and scientific fats, yet don't question a zombie
in the sky who smites the unjust and walks on water.
As for the paper you gave me a link to on Gravity: I don't see anywhere
where it states that gravity could possibly be linked to god. No mention,
in fact. Funny that..... Oh...not to mention that the author, Ellry
Schempp, is one of the most famous atheists around.
(Sigh). You aren't very good at this, are you?
Lucy San Ingham *facts, not fats. Gosh, I'm hungry..
Lucy San Ingham If you are meaning, " Actually, it's called common sense, not faith. If you have two pieces of puzzle and the third piece in the middle is missing, you can pretty much tell the shape of what you're looking for from the other pieces" , We know that if there is a missing piece in our puzzle, we aren't going to try to fill it in with Jesus and God, but more scientific study.
Lol did you forget when i said
gravity as a example???? I aint trying link it cause i using it as a
example of faith in a system of the world.
Oh and zombie in the sky? who said i dont question? you are making presumations
on my charcter. Y...et you dont know me.
Lol I arguing some points you raise unlike you i aint trying to change
your ideas just trying to say there still possibility it being there.
Lucy San Ingham I'm not trying to change your ideas. I'm making fun of them.
Lucy San Ingham ... I thought character assasination was free-for-all... you DID call my friend arrogant....
Pandy Leyland oh but when you are missing that third piece do you just believe it dont exist or that it does and it somewhere. Cause if your saying science does fill in all the pieces and we are still looking for them who say one these pieces doesnt lead to a God?
Lucy San Ingham *Assassination. Geeze... it's catching...
Kirstoi Dee Raa Lol at this
Lucy San Ingham Because GOD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING. Not once has god been proven to be the answer to anything. God doesn't equal answers.
Pandy Leyland I said he is arrgonat towards other ideas not that he is in general i dont know who well enough to make judgements.
Lucy San Ingham Well, if you DID know him, you would have said he was arrogant in general but not towards other ideas... if they are proven to have some stone cold fact behind them.
lol but he is arrogant towards
this idea and some these facts you go on about are still not proven
it just proves there is a system in place who say that system wasnt
created from something else.
Lol but this is coming back to faith in choi...ce in that a person believes.
Religion says he is but that doesnt stop someone having faith choosing
not to believe that part of a religion
Pandy Leyland See what i said about faith and religion being seperate?
Lucy San Ingham I don't actually get what you are trying to say here, but if you're saying what I think you're saying, there are things that science has proven. There is nothing that has been proved in the way of religion except that if you round up enough individuals and are very persuasive, you can have power over them and use them as puppets.
Lucy San Ingham Yes, faith and religion are seperate.... BUT you can't be religious without faith. You, my friend, are trying to use semantics as a tool against someone who read English at University. There are many different meanings of the word 'faith'. You were using it in a religious, spiritual context.
OK.....wait a minute. Evolution
is a fact. I've given you the evidence for it. It's all there, by clever
people who work tirelessly studying fossils, tectonic plate movement,
radioactive isotopes, DNA mapping, studying the effects of natura...l
selection in nature (that they can see before their eyes) and the mutation
of bacteria (in medicines to cure diseases). What else is missing? What
more is there to prove? It's a fact, just stating again and again that
it's called a theory is just poinltess, pedantic and childish.
Right, secondly.....you're really going to argue gravity? Like...really?
You're arguing the law of gravity.....ok, give me a minute to compose
myself here.....jeez. Ok. Right. Phew. Here goes, gravity is a force
at work, we can see it's propertys and study it's effects. Since Newton
discovered it the theory has been tweaked but the underlying principle
is the same. Mass attracts mass. This is the fundemental building force
of our universe, without which stars would not form, planets would cease
to be to be "glued" together. The planets would not orbit
and the stars would not orbit a galactic central point. The force we
know to be there, there is no other way it could be for mass to be attracted
to other mass. What is at the centra of the Earth isn't what holds us
on, but it helps, the mass of the entire planet does that. At the centre
there is a giant ball of iron, we know this because
A) heavier elements sink to the centre of the planet as it forms.
and B) We have a magnetic field surrounding the Earth caused by the
molten iron spinning and creating the field around us.
These are all proven facts, at no point is belief required. Science
can prove it, anyone else can come and test it, analyse it and back
it up or tear it apart. The fact it's still there proves no one can
tear it apart. There may be other forces at work in the universe like
Dark Matter and Dark Energy that they are discovering now, but those
do not effect the principle of gravity, the weak attractive force of
mass.
That's the beauty of science, when something is presented with facts
and evidence, no belief is needed, people can test it, touch it, analyse
it. But the facts remain, it's not open to interpretation, it's either
true or it isn't and the evidence backs it up either way. Everyone can
then see it's so. As much as you may profess 1+1=3 we can prove it doesn't,
that is the difference between science and faith, you can believe 1+1=3,
but that doesn't make it so. And I'm glad, because if that logic of
belief prevailed I don't think I'd trust flying in a plane any religious
person ever built.
Kirstoi Dee Raa U lot should write a book! Never seen such a thing on fb before fuckin bell hahaha
Lucy San Ingham I think I like my boxes and suitcases of puzzle pieces better, Adz. He seemed to understand it better. <------ Lucifer should have been a primary school teacher....
lol your arging religion doesnt
have place in science i agree with you there. Saying you read english
at uni dont mean squate when this become a completly diffrent debate.
Oh thing about p
I aint trying prove religion. Didnt at start and i n...ot going start
now. I just allowing faith in the unknown exist.
Lol can all you given me adam is some facts the proofs that say it could
be true but by laws of statitics if it can be proved once it cant also
be disproved so yeah we believe 1 + 1 = 2 but there maybe a time where
1+1=3 just cause it hasnt happened doesnt mean it wont. I aint trying
disprove them but i may not just expect that everything in it is true.
Pandy Leyland lol thing about p that was me thinking why go on about that it just start another line of argument.
"your arging religion
doesnt have place in science i agree with you there." Erm... didn't
you say before that you believed they could co-exist??? Or did I change
your mind?
When you are trying to say you were using the word 'faith' in a tot...al
different context to what you actually WERE using it in, I'd say it
means a lot. Don't try and worm your way out of it.
" all you given me adam is some facts." Erm... yeah. All you've
given us is bullshit.
Lucy San Ingham We give you facts. You give us hocus-pocus fairy shit.
Lucy San Ingham Yeah, best not to start another argument you can't win. One is enough.
Pandy
Leyland lol said
faith and science can. not religion and science. Mixing the 2 up again.
Why the angry?
Lucy San Ingham Angry? I'm not angry at all. I'm amused. You were using the word 'Faith' in a religious context.
Pandy Leyland Who said i trying argue is god real or not? i trying argue that idea of a God existing.
Lucy San Ingham Awww... don't back out now, Pandy. :-( I haven't even started yet.
Lucy
San Ingham God
does NOT exist. End of argument. There. Problem solved.
· Stuart Parry ok, ok, I've skipped some of this, I'm only joining in coz Nazis were mentioned, firstly, "With out a guidin hand or something to work for some people turn into massive dicks" - Hitler believed in God. So yeh, Go God! You really know how to pick them, yes, he hated Jews but he was great with dogs. swings and roundabouts.
lol who said i was in that argument? You just keep trying change it. I accept you have diffrent ideas than me and i aint here saying "beleive in me or i kill your puppys" cause it aint right but if someone chooses to belevie in something di...ffrent that you then let them carry on. Maybe challenge if it becomes stupid (for example) georges hunt for oil. So if you choose not to believe in a idea than god exists then fine your choice you have the proof you need for it. But If i choose be diffrent then what makes it your job to change my mind maybe i havemy proof to beleive he does
Faith, in the religious sense
you mean it, cannot co-exist with science. Simple. Science proves, faith
doesn't. Opposing ideals.
Secondly, maths is irrefutable. 1+1=2 and always will. At no point will
it equal 3. Maths is a constant. Maths i...s truer than true. You can't
disprove it. It's not a matter of opinion. Check your facts before you
start chatting about something you don't understand.
Just face it, there is no proof for God or Jesus, yet there is soooo
much evidence for sciences including evolution, big bang, gravity, nuclear
power. Non of these were gained by faith, no one prayed e=mc2 into existence,
God didn't come down in the form of a firey bush and tell Newton about
gravity. Face it, there is no God. Just like you don't believe in Thor,
Santa, Zeus, because there is no proof for them. Why go around believing
in things that have no proof and aren't true and if you do why choose
just one? Why not all?
Lucy
San Ingham "Maybe
challenge if it becomes stupid..." Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Lucy San Ingham "You just keep trying change it." What am I trying to change exactly. Give me an example so I can correct you.
Pandy Leyland I aint disproving maths? but just cause it worked all times before doesnt mean that next time it wont happen. One day someone may step off the cliff and instead of falling down may go up in the sky. It a silly idea but could happen. What i may consider proof maybe aint proof to you.
Lucy San Ingham "who said i was in that argument?" erm... you did when you said, "i trying argue that idea of a God existing. "
Pandy Leyland Actually maths does teach that it called statitcis.
Pandy Leyland statistics*
Because Pandy, people like
you are dangerously gullible. Calling it faith doesn't stop it being
a delusion. If I claimed to be Lincoln with no proof, just my belief,
I'd be locked away. Faith can cause people to do terrible things without
t...hinking about it, faith causes people to stop thinking entirely.
Once someone believes something without evidence they can believe anything,
dangerous things my friend. Which is why most wars, terrorist atrocieties
and hate comes from religious people who would be otherwise deemed normal
and sane.
It's brainwashing, it's no coincidence that most children believe what
they are taught by their parents, religion wise. People like you are
brainwashed and it's a form of abuse. I just wish more people could
see that.
Pandy Leyland Yeah see the 5th word in there. >>>>>>IDEA<<<< it spelt almost like IKEA but it actually IDEA!!!
Lucy San Ingham "One day someone may step off the cliff and instead of falling down may go up in the sky." Hahahahaha... I like Pandy. Let's keep him!
Some of the stuff I'm reading
on here is idiotic, "why don't people have wings?", "1+1=3"
etc It's actually some of the stupidest stuff I've ever read. I stand
by it, all people who believe in Jesus are morons who are socially inept,
and ca...n't make friends in the real world, so they need imaginary
ones. Sorry, imaginary one. You're not allowed to believe in more than
one.
I've done the whole religious experience with Islam, Christianity, Judaism,
as well as looking heavily into the old gods, and all of it is just
another way of trying to explain to idiots why the sun goes down at
night. I'd rather go with science, the actual reasoning why the sun
goes down at night.
Lucy San Ingham Yes, Pandy but see the 3rd word in there. ARGUE. A bit like Argument, but without my fist in your face.
And maths is not "statistical"
it's fact. Cold hard fact. More hard fact than anything, ever. It will
never change. 1+1=2 and always will. That's what maths is.
And someone walking off a cliff would never fall into the sky, that's
what we ca...ll "impossible" not a statistical improbablity.
Pandy
Leyland Actually
i know of a guy who thinks he is a horse yet he not locked away.
Lol dont you beileve in things that have no proof? as lucy put it. It
common sense just to beleive there work.
Pandy Leyland lol actually it is a statistical improbabity there do happen there just so unlikely that we make a choice to believe or not believe in it. Kind like getting pregeant on the pill some people believe it never happen but actually 3% of people it dont work for. That is the statistical improbabity.
Lucy San Ingham Show me where I wrote that and I won't bring up a libel case against you.
Lucy San Ingham They do happen? Actually they do. I got really drunk once and fell up the stairs...
Lol i getting tried of carryin
on of this.
if you are meaning, " Actually, it's called common sense, not faith.
If you have two pieces of puzzle and the third piece in the middle is
missing, you can pretty much tell the shape of what you're... looking
for from the other pieces"
"One day someone may
step off the cliff and instead of falling down may go up in the sky.
It a silly idea but could happen. What i may consider proof maybe aint
proof to you"
Maybe so, but we don't live on Pandora. If that did happen there'...d
be a scientific explanation to it, not because God got bored and decided
to stop gravity working.
Boats float on water, but they can sink even if they're perfectly fine.
That gave rise to the Bermuda Triangle, but science has given reasoning
to it being methane bubbles rising up, that causes boats to sink.
Same thing, science provides answers, not
Adam Retarded Thomas No Pandy, you're confusing "improbability" with "impossible". You really are. It is impossible for a man, a normal man (with no antigravity boots or flying Delorean or wings), to fall off a cliff and not succomb to the LAW of gravity. It's not "improbable" it's IMPOSSIBLE.
· Pandy Leyland lol yet how come some stuff that impossible happen? The once said it impossible for a man to walk on the moon but it happened. There once said it impossible for someone to send a message to someone in less than mear seconds was impossible but it happens. SO who to say that it impossible for something complete random and wrong according to science to happen? There once said bees shouldnt fly according to science yet there been for Century's.
I am going to end this by repeating
myself and asking you to answer this question, only this question and
not to twist it in anyway...
"Just face it, there is no proof for God or Jesus, yet there is
soooo much evidence for sciences including... evolution, big bang, gravity,
nuclear power. Non of these were gained by faith, no one prayed e=mc2
into existence, God didn't come down in the form of a firey bush and
tell Newton about gravity. Face it, there is no God. Just like you don't
believe in Thor, Santa, Zeus, because there is no proof for them. Why
go around believing in things that have no proof and aren't true and
if you do why choose just one? Why not all? "
Lucy San Ingham Okay, Pandy. I'm sick of you misquoting me. We know that if there is a missing piece in our puzzle, we aren't going to try to fill it in with Jesus and God, but more scientific study... DUMBARSE. We don't just say, Oh... we can't find the answer, so we'll just believe we are right", we carry on and find what we are looking for.
"The once said it impossible
for a man to walk on the moon but it happened. There once said it impossible
for someone to send a message to someone in less than mear seconds was
impossible but it happens. SO who to say that it impossible fo...r something
complete random and wrong according to science to happen? "
These things happened thanks to scientific advancement. NOT to a god
that may or may not be real for realz.
Cause we have free will the
power to choose and you dont like the fact someone may choose diffrent
from you.
If a faith in God wasnt there then people would just use other things
to motivate there own means. For example i kill my husband ca...use
the cat told me to. Actually people do do that.
Lucy San Ingham So you are more comfortable with the fact that people use religion as an excuse rather than their cats???
Pandy Leyland Lol i copy and pasted that. from what you said before.
bees have only been able to
fly for centuries? riiiiight...
People only said it's impossible because they didn't have the technical
knowledge to know any better, you're providing TECHNOLOGICAL l limitations
against the idea that the laws of... physics will just stop working,
so we can walk off the edge of a cliff and fall up?
Pandy Leyland lol well thats what one of his videos goes on about? There use there religion to conqure the world? Se why i said religion is bollocks
Lucy San Ingham Yeah... and totally either used what I said to fit your own ideals or you just didn't understand what it was I was saying.
Again, Pandy, you're confusing "improbable" with "impossible". The law of gravity states that if a small object is dropped onto a larger one, the smaller one is attracted to it (in the basic form). This is FACT. Anything otherwise is impos...sible. The rate of human progress in technology is different to the laws of nature. People may say "Such and such is impossible" when talking about technology, because they haven't the tool to deal with it at that time (mentally and physically), but the laws of nature aren't technology that you can tweak, we know this because the Earth still orbits the sun and all the billions of stars in each of the billions of galaxies test it everyday.
Pandy Leyland Lol but maybe what your trying put across just confused the arguement you think where having. The argument over idea not proof?
Lucy San Ingham And just to set the record straight: I USED COMMON SENSE TO MEAN.."SO WE'D GO LOOKING FOR THE PIECE THAT FITS"
Pandy Leyland Ok so come the any of earth's moon's is obiting the sun? cause the moon is alot smaller than the earth?
Stuart Parry but if religion is a manmade concept then surely the idea of God is too? You believe in nothing. You've not got faith, you've got delusion. God hasn't popped up saying, "hey guys, that guy over there, he talks shit, ignore him. believe what i say instead. you know, coz i'm god"
Pandy Leyland Haha this comes back to what i call proof maybe not what you call proof? We have free will to pick and choose.
Pandy Leyland btw earth has i think 5 moons but there obit like every 700 years or so it wierd.
Adam Retarded Thomas Because, Pandy, the Moon orbits the Earth which is larger than the Moon. And the Earth orbits the Sun, which is larger than the Earth. So the Moon does orbit the Sun.
Adam Retarded Thomas So what criteria did you use to choose to believe in God? What brought you to think he exists? And not Thor or Zeus for example?
Pandy Leyland lol but the sun gravitation pull is larger than the earth so why hasnt the moon slowly moved away and just started obiting the sun?
Stuart Parry erm, news flash, the moon is moving away from Earth...
Adam Retarded Thomas Leaving aside simple, primary school interplanetary gravitional physics....answer my question.
Adam
Retarded Thomas
Ok...I'll pose the question again, in case you missed it.
"So what criteria did you use to choose to believe in God? What
brought you to think he exists? And not Thor or Zeus for example?"
I fought you had your closing
argument?
as you said before
"I am going to end this by repeating myself and asking you to answer
this question, only this question and not to twist it in anyway..."
...Why give you my ideas so you can judge and say that you think right
and wrong? I going exprees my own choice and choose keep my own ideas
of faith as my own which people should do.
Pandy Leyland I aint trying change your ideas of faith just exprees the argument that the idea of a God existing still exists.
Adam Retarded Thomas That's not an answer. That's a cop out. You can't give me a reason can you? You just believe because you believe? Let me guess, you were told by your parents? They brainwashed you. You can't provide proof to back it up, you can't provide reasons. Why bother with it then? Why bother with that when there's an infinite number of things that can't be proved to exist and you don't give them a second thought?
but you're not though, you
said 1+1 might equal 3, that people will fall... up? Nothing in there
about trying to change our beliefs about faith and religion.
But if Religion is man-made, then why isn't God, too? And why ignore
religion and c...hoose God, even though he's about as real as Harry
Pandy Leyland Lol i could but i expressing my right not to cause if you cant accept the idea that a a god can exist then expressing my own idea's of a God would lead you on rampage thinking your higher than everyone else. I aint trying to make you believe anything other than the idea of something existing.
Lucy San Ingham THINKING we are higher than everyone else? Remember what I said about religion being THE hierarchy???????
But the idea of something existing
is a pointless endervour without proof. I could go around saying that
there is an invisible parrot sitting on top of everyones heads that
controls peoples, or that there is an invidible teapot orbiting the...
earth or that there really is a flying spaghetti monster...but what
is the point without proof? I could talk all day about a million fantastical
things, but why bother when it's not true and can't be proved?
So why follow something and believe in something that is unncessary?
Science doesn't need faith or God, science has gotten rid of the use
for God, it can explain everything God was supposed to have done. Why
cling onto God?
Pandy Leyland Yeah but this now aint about religion. Business have hierachy and so does society and we accept them.
DO you believe there could
be life outside are world? is there proof that there is expect from
what you shrub off as idioits seein lights in the sky?
I didnt say i didnt believe in science. I may not believe in everything
science says cause... there still room for it to be wrong
Lucy San Ingham Yet less room than for the existence of a god.....
We're not talking about my
beliefs here. I've already covered them. I like proof. I like to have
an open mind on possibilities that are back up with evidence in other
areas. That's all I'm saying on that one.
So what do you believe God has ...done then? Since science has explained
away most of his accomplishments?
Lucy San Ingham I say you just answer Adam's question and have done with it.
Kirstoi Dee Raa Pandy you are slightly retarded I think....
Kirstoi Dee Raa And aliens exist yes.
Pandy Leyland No. I dont want to. Cause it my own experince and to share it with someone who says you need proof for everything wont accept it unless it came some great scientist or figure. Which i aint trying to be. So instead of answering your question i choosing just to say no.
OK Pandy, here's my last piece.
Go away, look at the world without God for a while, look at everything
without the possibility of God. It still works, trust me, I do it every
day. Science works without God. The world works without God. Just ...go
and look and you'll be amazed at how everything still makes sense if
you take God out of the equation.
Read some books on evolution, look at the fact. Read about the universe
and what clever men have managed to find out from reasoning and fact.
It's far more wonderous than any belief in God creating it all in 7
days.
Go, look at the facts, they are there, and many people agree on them,
they aren't a matter of faith. I think you have faith in faith, which
is pointless. Take faith away and you're still you and everything is
still as it should be. Go away, read up, educate and enlighten yourself,
then come back to me and tell me if you still need faith or God.
I have never had God in my life. I never needed it. The world is a beautiful
place to me, full of great stories and wonderous tales about creation
and mankinds struggle through the billions of life to reach what we
have become. I still have morals, I still life a happy life. If God
was so important why aren't I missing out on something? Some understanding
or happiness?
Kirstoi Dee Raa I can't see how anyone can belive in god. Where's the dinosaurs in the bible? No Christian can answer me that one. I like dinosaurs yaaaaay
Haha you think i havent? You
know what i found i found a life pointless. Cause all everyone does
is waste it cause really what happenes after we gone according to you?
nothin. Are lives just become pointless.
Are westen world is becoming m...ore of a i need answer now culture
and sometimes it dont happen. Some of the happinest people in the world
live in poviety. Yet us are becoming more and more depressed and taking
more and more drugs to make us happier?
The world aint a wonderful place cause it ruined by the people in it.
Walk though the streets and you see the people who ruin it and guess
what there not all religious people. Chavs we all hate them and there
piss us off and we get in fights with them. YOu have morals cause you
been taugth them but not everyone does. Every watched jermery kyle?
dont think there have morals.
Lucy San Ingham I don't see where god comes into this, Pandy. I think you've been pwned.
Lucy San Ingham Lives don't become pointless when we are gone. Think of the people we loved and the effect our lives have had on them. look at all the great scientists, actors, doctors, etc, etc, who still live on in films, books and hearts. I think you are now just arguing so you don't lose face.
Pandy Leyland Nah cause i aint sitting here saying i have the answers.
Lucy San Ingham THAT is the real afterlife we look forward to.
Pandy Leyland Lol but do you remember your great great great great great great great grandad? Did he do something amazing and which has effected the lives around not just you but everyone? Some people carry on but dont think one day there be forgotten?
Lucy San Ingham My great great great great great great great grandad was a Viking warrior. Everyone remembers them.
Pandy Leyland And his name was and what did this viking warrior do?
Lucy San Ingham His name is not known to me, but his stories are. I am his legacy to the world. He lives on in my blood. I'm too young to remember the guy who invented the wheel, but his legacy still lives on.
Lucy San Ingham When god is proven, I'll be coverted. Until then I will continue to mock those who are blinded by religious faith.
Lucy San Ingham *converted.
How did you find life pointless
without God? What meaning does God give to life that science can't explain?
I don't waste my life, I live it. I live it knowing this is the only
one I get. I don't do nice things to get into an afterlife and ...I
know when my family dies they are gone and I won't see them again. That
doesn't make me sad and pointless, that just makes me want to treasure
the times I have even more.
And just because lives are "pointless" doesn't mean that they
are meaningless. Why does life have to have a point? I'm not special,
I'm the random chance of a billion events throughout the history of
the universe. I wasn't put here for anything special, all this wasn't
created just for me. I'm humble enough to know that. I'm not arrogant,
I'm confident in my facts and confident in my knowledge. You are the
arrogant one believing what you do in the face of all evidence and proof.
And as for my great great great great great great grandad? Yeah, I know
him, he's a tiny part of me, through DNA but also in how he shaped the
ideas and thoughts of those around him. Just as I pass on my ideas and
thoughts to those around me in time they are passed on to millions.
That is my afterlife. When I die, I switch off like a computer, the
information I hold is still there, but there is no way to access it.
I slowly decompose and return to the Earth and will one day become something
else, that is my afterlife. That is fact. I don't need anything else,
death holds no fear for me.
Pandy Leyland haha i like the fact you said closing argument but still carry on. Are you not happy you been told or do you just want be proven wrong? Btw cba now. If you want carry on do it but in the end we arent going to get any where. btw if you switch off your computer and something held in its RAM then it loses it forever no matter how you try get it back it is forgotten.
Lucy San Ingham .... unless you've saved it elsewhere as well... just like if you passed down information through your loved ones or people. I can't believe I'm arguing with you over this....
Pandy Leyland exactly like i said we are going no where from this. Neither of us are gaining anything from this just wasting energy typing about something we obviously arent going to agree on. So the term agree to disagree comes to mind.
Lucy San Ingham I just find it strange that people are STILL clinging to religion and try to argue in it's defence in this day and age. It's archaic, dude.
Pandy Leyland lol yeah clinging to religion like you said. Who said i clinging to religion? Not finding what i believe to truth and who says i the ownly one?
Adam Retarded Thomas Ok, we'll agree to disagree...with the subtext that I know I'm right, you know you're wrong. Everyone who reads this can see how rational and right I am, through facts and evidence, and how deluded and wrong your faith is.
Lucy San Ingham What he said. :-)
Adam Retarded Thomas But you have no proof Pandy, so it's not the truth. You can't even tell me WHY you believe or what EXACTLY you believe. I can cite what I know to be true with facts, logic and reasoning that anyone can see and can't dispute. Don't you see the difference?
Pandy Leyland lol subtext? lol to agree to disagree is to agree on the difference. I don't believe me to be wrong. Though my own human weakness i gettin tired arguing a point and rather do something more worth while like eating a scotch egg.
Lucy San Ingham <----- liked his comment because I like Scotch eggs.
Pandy Leyland Sorry but maybe i dont want some know it all judging what i believe which you obviously wanting to do. Just trying prove you maybe better than someone else. Cause believe it or not thats what you want to do.
Adam Retarded Thomas No, to agree that we disagree just agrees that we don't agree...it doesn't mean I have to respect your views on it or grant you that maybe you're right. I agree that we disagree. I also think you're a narrow minded retard who doesn't even understand the most basic teachings of the universe and have been brainwashed into believing a ridiculously far fetched story and an uncessary waste of "faith".
Lucy San Ingham Why not, Pandy? We've laid everything out on the table for you to pick apart and disecct... You just can't do it. That's all.
Lucy San Ingham *dissect. Poo.
Pandy Leyland lol but you said subtext you idiot or just going to ignore that now? I wantin to end it cause i talking with someone who needs proof for everything but truth is not everything had proof. Some times you just got to have faith
Adam Retarded Thomas Of course that's what I want to do. I've presented you with evidence that you can't disprove. You've presented me with very little, which I have still managed to disprove. Not telling me everything because I may disprove it? Not so sure in your convictions Pandy? Worried they won't hold up to scrutiny. That's what I've been trying to tell you all along. So why still believe it if even you don't believe it that strongly that you don't trust me not to disprove it?
Pandy Leyland Cause i not trying to pick apart what you believe. Gosh I saying there room for a idea
Lucy San Ingham <----- thinks Pandy is George Michael in disguise...
Lucy San Ingham You gotta have faith-a-faith-afaith-a... babyyyy...
Adam Retarded Thomas No, Pandy. Truth requires proof. I wouldn't like to trust any legal system you try to approve, or any plane you try to design on that logic. Proof is everything. Faith is not needed.
Pandy Leyland so how come none guilty men still go to jail?
Lucy San Ingham Human error, dude. Human error. Where is your god when this is happening?
Lucy San Ingham ... and really really crap defence lawyers.
A world without proof would
not have your TV, Computer, Electricity, Car, Aeroplane, Medicine, Understanding
of Evolution and the Big Bang, Understanding of Gravity, Space travel,
Knowledge of our universe...etc. Imagine a world without all... that.
Now imagine a world with no faith, less divisions, less hatred and bigotry,
more scientific advances, more peach, more understanding.
Lucy San Ingham <------ likes peaches as much as peace, too.
Adam Retarded Thomas What Lucy said, but in your system of belief it would be enough to send an innocent man to jail just on the belief he was guilty. Would you trust THAT over proof then?
Pandy Leyland i questioning your system. Cause the law is suposely innocent proven guility. In a system of religion you would send a innocent man to jail. A man made system where human error can happen. Also your saying that all science was to disprove god? But it doesnt no where in science does it say ts is true so god must not exist.
Lucy San Ingham Nopes... because it's a given. It's like stating the obvious. (cannot argue as is craving Scotch eggs and peaches)
Lucy San Ingham (... plus didn't get your argument)
Pandy Leyland lol but it doesnt state the obvious does it? cause it lead to areas of interpretation of which people do.
Lucy San Ingham "Also your saying that all science was to disprove god?" - Science wasn't out to disprove anything. It was out to gain knowledge of our natural world and to understand it. Slowly slowly disproving god is a by-product of that.
Ok you're missing the point.
In law you have to PROVE someone is guilty. Therefore with EVIDENCE
you do this. Sometimes there are mistakes, like in science. Human error
can creep in.
In your logic of FAITH, you can just SAY a man is guilty a...nd it must
be true, not requiring evidence. Under your system more innocent people
would be put in jail. I'm sure you agree that point. Nowhere else in
life is FAITH valid. I wouldn't trust someone to fly a plane based on
FAITH, I wouldn't trust someone to build a car based on FAITH, and neither
would you. Logic wins....so why doesn't it with religion and FAITH?
Lucy San Ingham Science isn't out to get anyone. It's out to educate.
Pandy Leyland no it disproves some ideas of religion still does disprove it could exist.
Lucy San Ingham Again... what Adz said.
Pandy Leyland but you have faith in the guy flying the plane can fly it.
Science hasn't directly disproved
God, what it has done has disproved that God created the Earth, that
God created Man and Animals, it disproved that God makes the sun come
up, it has disproved most stories in the Bible.
So where is God now... then? What has he done?
Lucy San Ingham "but you have faith in the guy flying the plane can fly it." - Nopes. His degree and the airline says he can.
Adam Retarded Thomas No, I know the guy flying the plane can fly it. He's been tested, trained, educated and vetted. He's constantly checked. No one just has FAITH that he can fly a plane without any evidence.
Pandy Leyland But how do you know that God didnt? Was you there in begining or could a system be created for the world to manage itself?
Pandy Leyland But still doesnt mean he can fly it just means he had the training to do so.
Adam Retarded Thomas Because there is no room for God. Science can detail the life of the Earth from the creation of the universe to this very moment. At no point is there a need for a God to intervene to make Earth possible.
Pandy Leyland but then what made life possible in first place eh?
Adam Retarded Thomas He's TRAINED, TESTED, AND CHECKED.....which part of that don't you understand? No one has FAITH he can fly, he's tested and checked, just like science does with facts all the time.
Adam Retarded Thomas Chemistry. Pure and simple.
Pandy Leyland but what made chemistry happen? cant see where i going with this?
Pandy Leyland Plus what say one day the pilot just forgot how to fly? it could happen? Or better example people are taught how to drive and tryed and tested but there still road accidents cause by 2 taught drives.
Adam Retarded Thomas Not really. Nothing "made chemistry happen". Chemistry is the joining of elements and compounds into structures. This happens because atoms form and group together in various ways. This is what happens. It doesn't need anything to make it happen, it just does.
Lucy San Ingham Oh you've got us there, Pandy. God made Chemisrty when he was bored. When he finished that, he made Hootie and the Blowfish. (rolls her eyes)
Pandy Leyland so something randomly happened? So no force or element or item cause it to happen? as science teaches everythign runs by cause and effect. So you can maybe explain the first effect by can you explain the cause no.
Adam Retarded Thomas So? What has human error got to do with FAITH? I don't have FAITH the guy can fly the plane, I know he can. If he forgets or crashes for unforeseen circumstances then that doesn't invalidate the fact I know he can fly a plane and he's tested and vetted. It's an example of proof and evidence over FAITH I think you're taking a little too literally.
Adam Retarded Thomas So you're saying God is the first cause? So what created him? Nothing? Therefore no first cause, therefore God, in science, cannot exist...ergo science disproved God, once again.
Adam Retarded Thomas And chemistry happens from random chance of particles moving about. Not from nothing....try reading a book sometime Pandy.
Pandy Leyland but then the idea of god isnt a straigth time line or didnt you every get taught that?
Adam Retarded Thomas No, I wasnt educated on bullshit fairy stories, I'm afriad. Just real life true facts :'(
Lucy San Ingham Nopes. Me neither. I learnt how to spell C-O-P-O-U-T though.
Adam Retarded Thomas Ok Pandy, since you seem to lack any intelligence I'll be kind enough to play that role for you. You put forth a fact, about God, and I'll tell you if it is true or not. This way we can easily and speedily resolve your misplaced "faith" and you can stop having to worry about conflicting facts and actually enjoy the world for what it really is. Fire away.
Pandy Leyland Faith doesnt need proof or it wouldnt be faith any more.
Lucy San Ingham <----- likes it when Adz plays roles. His Hamlet was breathtaking.
Lucy San Ingham What is the point in faith then, Pandy. What does it do?
Adam Retarded Thomas Faith is pointless then. If it can't be proved, it doesn't exist. Problem solved. Go live your life, my friend, free of any doubts and worries :)
Pandy Leyland lol but when the first plane was built there had faith in it fly. no matter how much fact went into it. There never really flew before.
Lucy San Ingham Erm... no. They used a system called Trial and Error. They tested it. They tested it until it worked. Seriously... come up with better arguments. I'm getting bored.
Pandy Leyland i been wantin end it since scoth egg but you 2 jsut bloody carried on. But when the man went on the plane and went it should work think he would of without faith in the people who help him make it.
Lucy San Ingham I'm testing my cup of coffee. Yikes! Too hot!..... I'm testing it again. Yikes!!! Still too hot!........ I'm testing it again. Ahhh... just right. I'm going to get in this plane, which I'm not sure flies and have faith that it does. Ooops! I'm dead. Doesn't happen like that, sugar.
They didn't have blind faith,
they had an idea backed up with evidence. Wingspan ratios, wind lift,
weight ratios...all calculated before testing. If it didn't work then
they could see where they went wrong.
Faith isn't based on anything. Th...erefore can't be tested, therefore
doesn't exist.See more
Pandy Leyland But who says all faith is blind? I said the proof i have you wouldnt expect so what point me trying? I dont want to.
Adam Retarded Thomas You have proof? Show me.
Lucy San Ingham COP OUT. If you don't want to argue your point, don't. If I had your point I wouldn't want to either...
Pandy Leyland Lol but you now changed the argument. All way back like 200 comments ago was the idea of god not that god exists or not.
Lucy San Ingham Stop being so pedantic. Show us the proof and we will shut up.
Adam Retarded Thomas Show me the proof that there is a God.
Lucy San Ingham <---- would like to point out that it was Pandy who kept going off topic.
Lucy San Ingham "I said the proof i have you wouldnt expect so what point me trying?" - The point is that we would shut up... if it was stone. cold. hard. fact.
Pandy Leyland No cause i aint here trying change people beliefs. You 2 just stop trying argue.
Lucy San Ingham Again; give us proof and we will be sated.
Pandy Leyland Also you cant disprove he doesnt jsut have some proofs that could not do lead to fact god may not exist
Lucy San Ingham We arer talking about YOUR so-called proof. Stop going off topic and answer the question. Where is your proof?
Lucy San Ingham *are
Pandy Leyland lol you went off the orginal topic in first place well adam did.
Adam Retarded Thomas Show me the proof Pandy, if you don't part with your proof then it isn't proof, it's just blind faith and my previous argument is valid.
Lucy San Ingham I'm not interested in what happened before I joined this conversation. YOU were the one going off-topic since I've been here.
Adam Retarded Thomas And I'm happy for you to change my "beliefs". If you can prove God, then go ahead, I will happily accept the evidence if it's valid.
Lucy San Ingham <----- assumes Pandy's deliberate attempt to brush off questions further proof that his FAITH doesn't work.
Pandy Leyland thats it you wont believe it to be valid. It be startin a new line of argment
Adam Retarded Thomas You don't have FAITH in your proof? Now that's ironic.
Lucy San Ingham Nah. That's not it. You just don't want to be disproved by a troll and a housewife.
Pandy Leyland Lol i have faith in my proof but then it my own proof maybe i not trying rub it in other faces as you so wish me to desire,
Adam Retarded Thomas Proof is proof. It's only proof if it is tested and holds up to testing. So tell me your proof Pandy.
Lucy San Ingham We aren't asking you to rub it in people's faces. Just ours.
Lucy San Ingham <------ is giggling because her last comment sounds rude.
Pandy
Leyland who said
your one to test it? Who said your judgements are valid in my life?
who to say your better than me.
Adam
Retarded Thomas
I'm asking you to explain your proof, as I've explained mine. If it's
proof and true why is it wrong to show people what is true? That's all
I've been doing.
You have proof, I'd like to see it.
Adam
Retarded Thomas
Proof is available to be tested and analysed by everyone. Otherwise
it isn't proof, its opinion and faith.
Lucy
San Ingham Who
said anything about us being better than you? hey... if the shoe fits...
Nah. Seriously. Give us your proof and if we are satisfied with your
answer, we will go away.
Adam
Retarded Thomas
And as we've established, and you agreed, faith is pointless. That's
why you said you have proof. So where is the proof? Or is it faith?
Therefore pointless? Did I win there Pandy? I think I did ;)
Pandy
Leyland Like i
said before i aint going to say nore am i agreeing with you jsut fed
up of someone trying to judge me. Which you are. No matter how you put
it
Lucy
San Ingham We aren't
judging you, sugar... Just your fucked up belief system. You are probably
a very nice person. Deluded, but nice.
Pandy
Leyland lol you
are just saying i believe in a fucked up belief system notice what that
is a judgement.
Adam Retarded Thomas I'm not judging you. I'm just pointing where you're wrong, like you'd correct a childs spelling mistakes or maths errors.
